Samstag, 16. Juni 2007

"Race" - A good overview of the debate

Once more Razib Khan has a very good post about "race" (Gene Expression) concerning a discussion at the middle-left journal "The New Republic".

Abb. 1: Translaters of Francis Galton's "Hereditary Genius" into German 1910 (1): Anna Schapire-Neurath and Otto Neurath

A commenter, P.G. Hiat "Gene Expression" has made this posting there, that I think is worth reading, because it gives a good overview of the debate:


Anonym hat gesagt…


Jewish people are the most intelligent. They win almost 40% of the Nobel Prize's and they have a small population of only 14 million. So by far they exceed the other races in intelligence. The other races having huge numbers and such small contributions.

IQ tests, test intellectual conformity, not creativity and originality. This would explain the Asian high IQ's. They as a people are the ultimate conformists.

In IQ tests there is typically only one answer to the problem. That problem being a social conformity to reason. But everyone knows that Genius's and all of the greatest developments in the world are not the product of conformity. Conformity never breeds creativity. We can see this in the lack of influence the Asian population has had on Science. China used to be called the "sick man" of Asia. Their population is massive and their contribution to innovation is almost nil. We can see this lack of originality in their adoptation of European philosophies, I.e. Communism.

Friedrich Nietzsche and other Philosophers have critized Asians. Nietsche used the words "Pallid osification" to describe Orientals.

Pallid: lacking sparkle or liveliness.

Osification: The process of becoming set and inflexible in behavior, attitudes, and actions. Inflexible conformity, rigid unthinking acceptance of social conventions.

The reality is Asian people have yet to understand that laws and rules are arbitrary. Europeans make the rules and Asian's follow them.

It also doesn't make sense that Asian's are considered smart because of the fact that they have destroyed their own countries. This is due to over-population and their basic lack of enviromental understanding.

It is also common scientific fact that women who have many children are ignorant, and those who have less children are more intelligent. This has already been proven in studies. So it seems strange to say that Asians are smart when the obviousness of their backwards countries, and medieval lifestyle makes them contrary to that premise.

Europeans have the most advanced civilizations and every other race has yet to meet these levels other than the Japanese. The Japanese only being good at copying other people's inventions and making them better. Other than that their original creativity is lacking as well. They took American cars and made them better. They took the German camera and made it better. And they took German steel and made it better. Otherwise the greatest advances still come from Europeans and Jews. Other than that the Orientals have yet to produce an Einstein or a Thomas Edison.

When it comes to Black people. It makes sense that they have low intellectual comformity, I.e. IQ tests. They are far too creative to be trapped in this unoriginal form of conditioning. You can tell their creative capacity in their athletics, music, dance, and the way they talk. They by far exceed the Asiatic races in these areas. Being better singers, musicians ect. Blacks far exceed Asians in emotive expression. In all of North America there is only one or two famous high-paid Asian actors.

Reality, Europeans rule the world and they have allowed others to exist only out of desire for economic bennifet. They, (Europeans) are also the physically strongest, winning the Strongest Man competitions again and again.

The greater the conformity, the weaker the race. Thus we see the races as they are today. The wild animal being bred out of man, and the physically impotent, conformist thriving.

Otherwise "Group psychology" is the most destructive thing in the world. All these stereotypes are false when it comes to the individual. Individualism is the most important thing for this time. All countries, Relgions, groups need to dissolve for man to live in peace.

Ingo Bading hat gesagt…

There is a lot of good stuff you have to say. Thank you. But is there a touch of "white suprematist"-view in it? I do not share this view.

You say: "Europeans make the rules and Asian's follow them."

If that would have been the case in world history, the Asian's would no more exist in this world any more. Where is Rome and its rules? Where is Greece and its rules? Where are the Scythians and their rules? Where are the Persians? All so much strong "white" people.

It is quite contrary: Superficially Asian's often have followed the rules of Europeans. But this was only for some periods of their historical life - for their own sake!!!! And then in wise decissions there was separation (China's Great Wall and so on and so on ...) and then they lived for hundreds of years their own life according to their own rules.

So, this sentence is not only morally incorrect, but historically incorrect:

"Europeans rule the world and they have allowed others to exist only out of desire for economic benefit."

When Marco Polo told his italian compatriots about what he had seen in China, no one believed him, because no one was able even to think of such big cities at that time in Europe. And so on and so on. The China of Marco Polo was the China in it's thousands of years of separation with all its historical strength.

A lot of big european states, cities and cultures are lying under the sand today, while China exists as it has "always" existed. In a lot of ways the Chinese culture is much, much stronger than all this "praised" european way of life. Look only at the Tocharians. Their culture lasted for "only" 2000 years. Chinese culture is much stronger in its continuation.

So, please don't say bad things about East Asian's. They are different from us. They are weaker than "us" in a lot of faculties. But they are much, much stronger than "us" in a lot of other faculties. And that is nice about world history and cultural diversity: that there is no uniformity on earth. And that there is no culture or race in world history that has for all times ruled all other cultures and races. Quite the contrary. And this was good and would be good for the future.

Because evolution acts via diversity.

Individualism has its strength, but conformitiy as well. Each culture should live according to its OWN rules. And this is what world history is all about: definding the rules of your own society against "globalism".

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